Fire Speaks—Blue Deer Center
Blue Deer Center | Margaretville, NY
Saturday, July 22, 2023 | 1:00pm - 1:00am
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Experience the sacred land and sacred waters of Blue Deer at this very special
Audience with Grandfather Fire

See full event details and register on the Blue Deer Center web page.


Commune with nature’s spirits and rejuvenate your soul at Blue Deer Center.

The Saskawhihiwine River and its shores nourish this land’s ancestral gift of being a place for healing and resolution of conflicting energies. Spend time in this place, enjoy a meal, and settle in for a night around the fire with Grandfather Fire.

What would you like to know about life? About yourself? The powerful, mysterious essence of Fire is one of the world’s first and greatest teachers.

For over 20 years, Grandfather Fire—called “Tatewari” by Mexico’s Indigenous Huichol people—has been sharing teachings, sacred stories and life guidance with people all over the world. During Fire Speaks events, traditional healer Don David Wiley lends his body to the Spirit of Fire so that ancient knowledge of the world and life’s purpose can be shared for the benefit of people everywhere.

Find out more information about this phenomenon here.

Spending an evening with Grandfather is a unique experience. You can ask your most pressing questions—about life’s mysteries, about your biggest concerns. He’ll show you who you are—and your place in the natural world—in an entirely new way.

Grandfather Fire is wise, funny, provoking and astonishingly insightful. He brings stories, teachings and antidotes to the confusion and disconnection that can arise when people drift away from living from the heart.

Grandfather Fire’s stories and lessons about the dynamic interplay of Heart and Mind have helped people find a new way to relate to the world and its challenges. He cuts through doubt, confusion and illusion with a long-view perspective that delivers tried-and-true ways to find connection, compassion, learning, growth and healing.

Release your expectations and open your heart to Divine guidance from the source.

Held at the Blue Deer Center outside Margaretville, NY

Nestled in the Catskill Mountains on 93 acres of land and forest, the Blue Deer Center is embraced by “Saskawhihiwine,” the river of peace. This land has been known for millennia as a place where conflict is resolved and illness gives way to balance. Blessed things happen here that cannot happen even a short distance away, for this sacred land offers unique medicine for the spirit that supports transformation.

Traveling to Blue Deer Center

Arriving from out of town? Air travel to the Albany or New York City area airports are a 2-3 hour bus ride from Margaretville and Blue Deer Center.

What people are saying after attending Fire Speaks:

For days after, I kept having these intense visualizations of fire, and I was able to really “feel” the spirit of fire, as something beyond simple burning wood and instead a primeval creative essence. The whole experience seemed to have set a seed deep in my psyche.”

“What you experience with Grandfather is like an education for your soul.”

“Wow, there were so many things I liked, and that I am still processing and absorbing. I liked the pace of the event, the location and the care that was given to all the participants. Thank you for sharing this experience!”

“His answer helped me more than the answer I was expecting.”

“It was very meaningful for me to talk to people outside the normal sphere I communicate with. I’ve never been in a group of spiritual seekers like that before.”

“Grandfather fire has called me to live more in my heart, to be open to so many possibilities, and most importantly, to always think how I can serve others.  This ancient practice is both simple and profound.”




  • Don David Wiley, medium for the Spirit of Fire

    Don David Wiley, medium for the Spirit of Fire

    David Wiley’s perspective on what is possible and how to live life was profoundly altered in 1996, when the Spirit of Fire, often called Grandfather Fire, appeared before him as an apparition in the garden of a meditation retreat center near Mexico City. Grandfather Fire asked David to be his conduit, so people everywhere could discover their innate connection to spirit and have an experiential relationship with nature and Divine. Grandfather sent David to find two indigenous elders, Don Lupe Ríos Gonzales of the Wixárika (Huichol) tradition of Mexico’s Sierra Madres and Don Lucio Campos Elizalde of the Nahua tradition of the central highlands. At Grandfather Fire’s request, these two elders began David’s formal medicine and ceremonial apprenticeship in these two ancestrally related shamanic paths.

    From the Huichol tradition, David received initiations as a mara’akame, a healer, counselor, and ceremonial leader; from the Nahua path, he was initiated as a granicero, a weather worker, ceremonial leader, and healer. After years of service and leadership, he received permission to teach these two traditions to those called to these shamanic paths. After Don Lupe’s passing in 2003 and under the support of mara’akame Don José Sandoval de la Cruz, David  received initiation as a Huichol tsaurirrakame  (elder shaman) in 2008. On the Nahua path, David became a Caporal Mayor (teacher-tradition leader) when he inherited Don Lucio’s altar and the responsibility for his Nahua weather working lineage after Don Lucio’s passing in 2004. As a recognized elder in these two traditions, he has received the title of respect, Don David.

    Concurrent with Don David’s immersion in this traditional medicine path work, starting in 1996, Grandfather Fire began speaking through Don David’s body during special gatherings. This has been some of the most impactful of Don David’s work, touching thousands of people. Among the Huichol, an axihuatakame is a “god-speaker man,” a traditional spiritual medium who enters a coma-like state so that a deity can physically interact directly with humans. A collection of Grandfather Fire’s wisdom was published as Heard Around the Fire in 2010; a second book is in final editing. An archive of teachings can be found on as Grandfather Fire’s Wisdom. Over the years, Grandfather Fire inspired Don David and the community growing around Grandfather’s wisdom to spread traditional lifeways through the world. This lead to the founding of nonprofits Sacred Fire, which began training Sacred Firekeepers and hosting events and programs in 2004;  Blue Deer, a retreat and healing center for nature’s medicine which opened in 2005, and Sacred Fire Foundation, a charitable organization founded to promote and protect traditional indigenous lifeways in 2009.



Now accepting registrations

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Saturday, July 22, 2023

  • 1:00 pm – 3:00 pm: Welcome. Free time on the land and visit the river
  • 3:00 pm – 5:00 pm: Orientation & hear The Story of Humans and Fire, Make Offerings
  • 6:00 pm – 7:00 pm: Dinner and clean up
  • 7:30 pm- Midnight: Audience with Grandfather Fire

Sunday, July 23, 2022

2:00 pm – 4:00 pm Followup Fire (Free for all participants)


Early Bird Price $145 (before 6/22/23)

Regular Admission $165

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